MEDIAmonkey or just AUDIOmonkey ?...

Stan · Post by **Stan** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:12 pm

I'm for video support, as long as it doesn't interfere with the Audio portion.

For me I could care less if I were able to play the "Video" through MM, just having it able to sync with my iPod would be good enough.
Currently I use itunes just to sync videos and an occasional podcast.

junkmale · Post by **junkmale** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:48 pm

rusty wrote:When we first chose the name MediaMonkey, we never thought we'd be working on the Audio portion until now.

As it turns out, though, most of our users like MM precisely because it does the audio side of things so well. So we still want to do video, but we think that our users would prefer that we fix/improve whatever deficiencies exist on the audio side before proceeding to the video stuff.

But you're the users....so speak up.

-Rusty

"AudioMonkey" works fine for me.
I realize I'm in a minority, as I don't watch video clips, care about Album (or any other) art, have never seen/heard a Podcast, don't give a damn about Skins/Visualizations & my portable music device is the laptop I'm typing this on.

I just want to listen to & edit my music.
2.5 does this beautifully, & I assume 3.X will continue to do so.

That said, I'm still also running MusicMatch 7, as it does a couple of things MediaMonkey doesn't, (unless I simply haven't found your Alarm Clock setting).

I like the ability to switch between multiple libraries in MusicMatch.
If only it's database handling wasn't so crap.

Mizery_Made · Post by **Mizery_Made** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:05 pm

Couple things I've thought of since my initial post. Due to computer problems though I haven't been able to follow this thread closely and not really in the mood to read through several pages. Anyway...

A) There are many Video Players out there, I in fact use VLC and/or Media Player Classic for 99.9% of my video playing. However, while there are countless video players there aren't nearly as many programs that give you the capability of 'databasing' them. Sure, there are ones like Windows Media Player, iTunes & J. River Media Center that allow you to scan in videos into your library and add information about them, etc. but I personally have tried and disliked all of the above.

MediaMonkey however, I love every bit about it in regards to audio handling. Would love for that to be brought to the video game and make some waves. Might just be me though.

B) Perhaps the developers could look into going in a 'Sister Software' route in which they put together a program much like MediaMonkey strictly for video? Just an idea. *Shrugs*

monkeyman · Post by **monkeyman** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:58 am

I would like to have basic video support so I can stop using iTunes altogether except for firmware upgrades.

Big_Berny · Post by **Big_Berny** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:53 pm

I'm against video-support - simply because it isn't needed. There are so much programs which can handle them and probably also a lot better.

Two drawback would be, that:
1. The program would get bigger and probably slower (at least not faster!). Winamp made the same mistake when they changed from 2.x to 3.x. Same thing for Nero which gets bigger and bigger with every release...
2. The devs would certainly need a lot of time to develope and maintain that feature. So there is less time for audio which is the main function of MM. So less new features for audio, more time to fix bugs...

MM is just the best in audio and I hope that it focus on that also in the feature. There is still a lot of work to do because also the others like Winamp get more powerful.

But in one thing I agree: A basic support for uploading videos, podcasts and photos (?) to ipods would be great. Then it would really be an alternative for ipod-owners.

Hooah · Post by **Hooah** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:37 pm

I just want to cast my vote. No video.

I thought I would like it, but looking how WinAmp and other great players got bloated and lost vocus on the music aspect, they started to suck.

pah68 · Post by **pah68** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:10 pm

I don't want to be able to watch movies etc, I just want to seemlesly play my music videos along with audio tacks and if possible, have them volume levelled.

rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:13 am

as i said in my first post in the thread. i don't need video watching support.

but i think a tagging support for the video files would be well worth including. and those that want to use monkey to watch it with can use the plugin from winamp that works just not with with everyones systems from what i seen in some other posts on the forum. but it does work.

but for me personel i am agreeing with Pah68 i don't need video player in monkey.

Teknojnky · Post by **Teknojnky** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:51 am

pah68 wrote:I don't want to be able to watch movies etc, I just want to seemlesly play my music videos along with audio tacks and if possible, have them volume levelled.

So uh, not to be facitious... but what is the difference between a movie and a music video? an hour and 40 minutes length?

IMO, video is video, and if support for 'music videos' went in, then by the nature of video, then support for any videos (of the supported file types) would be automatic, unless your suggesting there should be some silly limitation on video length.

Video support in MM would motivate me to find a good video/mp3 player.

pah68 · Post by **pah68** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:43 pm

Teknojnky wrote:
pah68 wrote:I don't want to be able to watch movies etc, I just want to seemlesly play my music videos along with audio tacks and if possible, have them volume levelled.
So uh, not to be facitious... but what is the difference between a movie and a music video? an hour and 40 minutes length?

IMO, video is video, and if support for 'music videos' went in, then by the nature of video, then support for any videos (of the supported file types) would be automatic, unless your suggesting there should be some silly limitation on video length.

Video support in MM would motivate me to find a good video/mp3 player.

Relax will ya, I was suggesting basic video support, when I used movies as an example I was suggesting that a full blown video media player wasn't necessary, just something simple like the current plugin, but integrated. The ability to tag videos would be nice.

phasmnite · Post by **phasmnite** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:19 pm

I vote Yes for proposition 'Video support'.

I don't care if its a plugin, or inside mediamonkey.

Just be able to use and support the codecs installed on the system,
as much as i like vlc, having internal codecs built in is great, but sometimes
it can mess things up. Have a priority for system installed codecs.

The other thing i want, full screen controls. I don't care how you do it, just leave the mouse of it. Give me a nice popup bar with a slider, some basic controls and im good.

besides that, keep it simple. Maybe just add an organizational menu for videos, like you did for podcast or something. Its up to you. But keep music and video seperate please, but let me organize it all the same.

I use to use a video plugin for MM 2.5, but it was kinda eh >: . I think you can do a much better job.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:21 pm

I do watch videos and I've gotten a plugin to let me do that, but I'd like to be able to sync videos to my iPod.

Post by **Peke** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:24 pm

One of Biggest questions is GDI (DirecX???/Video For Windows, Windows95+) Vs. VMR-7 (DirectX7, Windows 98+) Vs. VMR-9 (DirectX9, WindowsXP+) Vs. EVR (DirectX10? or Media Fundation, Vista+). I know that some are absolute now but still ...

This rises what to support and base plugin on?

There are also independent renderer solutions like Haali, QuickTime, RealVideo, and we even not mentioned Hardware Randerer.

Tagging? Lyrics/Subtitles? Codecs? output?

Things that needs to be supported can be seen in Media Player Classic (MPC) -> View -> Options Player -> Output and each one have its advantages and faults + Bugs + Fixes + ...

Things need to be well thought before done.

Maniak · Post by **Maniak** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:10 am

Hi,

I'm searching a FULL alternative to iTunes and looked to MM.
I'm sorry to leave MM because it doesn't support video sync....

So please, recall MM as AUDIOmonkey or DO something for videos.

You just lost a MM user....

RogerD_AZ · Post by **RogerD_AZ** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:24 am

I've been with MM since it was Sonic-DB and always found it perfect, but I too have stopped using it due to lack of video transfer. For as little as I knew when I bought the video ipod that I'd use it for video, seems there is always one video I'd like on it and MM mixed with itunes doesn't work, and MM alone won't do it.

I personally think that MM can forgo the ability to play the videos, but at least have it sync them correctly with nothing else than the intent, at least for now, to view them on the Ipod only. I think that should be easy enough to add, and avoids the itunes/MM database corruption.

Besides, can you guys really sleep at night knowing myself and others have resorted back to iTunes.. oh the shame you must feel.

Roger

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