Downgrade from v. 5?

by **Lowlander** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:26 pm

Which build (Help > About) are you using and what node in the Media Tree are you opening when MediaMonkey starts?

What problems do you have with Sync and Rip?

by **Shamanarts** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:22 pm

I am having many issues with the new version, I have over 1.5 TBs of music in my library, and even though the old version took a while to fully load, this one takes way too much time, and its also very clunky, and slow to load ....and ripping & synching can be problematic as well......I find myself using WMP to sync to my Nokia 5.3....anyway...I use it ( the paid version)...its functional as long as I remember to leave it open...any ideas?.....Thanks, Lou

by **Lowlander** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:21 pm

Verify in the Entire Library > Location (enable under Tools > Options > Collections & Views) that the files really aren't in the MediaMonkey Library.

If they aren't, please capture the scanning of the files in a debug log (step 4b) and attach the log to a Support Ticket for a developer to analyze: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=86643
A copy of a file that fails to scan may also be useful as it may be due to some form of corruption in the file.

by **Lankylad** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:14 pm

Lowlander wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:02 pm Some users will use 6 different programs, others want everything done in the same program. Managing media in a single program has it's upsides.

Lankylad wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:57 pmI was unable to pick up 186 despite them being covered by media type.
What do you mean by that? Did it not scan the files into the Library or are you talking about Auto-Tag not finding metadata on these files?

Hi,
I meant MM5 failed to scan them despite picking up other music video in the same folder with the same 3 letter extension.
I understand that some would find it more convenient especially if they did not have large collections of each media type. I just find that the "jack of all trade" programs are usually inferior to the specialist ones in one way or another.

by **swinghouse** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:31 pm

Lowlander wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:14 pm Build 2420 fixes many issues: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=86639

As for Search you don't mention what the problem is for you.

MediaMonkey 4 can be installed next to MediaMonkey 5 and if updated from MediaMonkey 4 you may still find it installed. Each use their own database (mm.db for MM4 and mm5.db for MM5).

AFAICR I updated from 4 to 5 but there are no traces of MediaMonkey 4 on my computer.

I have now installed MediaMonkey 4 alongside MM 5. I will keep MM 4 as my primary app for the time being while keeping up with the release of new versions of MM 5 and experiment with MM 5.

Also, now I can compare the behaviour in MM 5 with what I'm used to from MM 4 and post things that - from my perspective - are regressions.

by **Lowlander** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:02 pm

Some users will use 6 different programs, others want everything done in the same program. Managing media in a single program has it's upsides.

Lankylad wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:57 pmI was unable to pick up 186 despite them being covered by media type.

What do you mean by that? Did it not scan the files into the Library or are you talking about Auto-Tag not finding metadata on these files?

by **Lankylad** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:57 pm

Barry4679 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:03 am
Lankylad wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:40 pm Hi Barry
quick video re the mouse
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4arcblwfim3c3 ... 5.mp4?dl=0
Cheers
I tried with PlayLists, which I had not tried before. I still see the expected result.
Exactly the same mouse settings as you, and Windows 10 64 bit also.

You haven't got another mouse you could try?

Hopefully they can find what is causing it. It would be annoying in a large panel, but it would completely wreck mouse wheel usage in a small panel like the Column Filter panel.

Barry, I do but its not easy to get to just now. I will leave things now and hope that the development team get round to it from other people having the same problem. If not will give it a try in a week or two.

Quick question: What software do others use for different media? This is an entirely subjective view but I personally cannot understand why so many software companies try to be all things to all people. For example Plex I find excellent at Films and TV (although its UK based TV database could be improved on the rarer stuff) but its useless at Music and Sports. Yet they insists on trying to cover them. Media Monkey is fantastic with music but (again this is just me) poor with music videos. I just tried MM5 re my music video collection. I was unable to pick up 186 despite them being covered by media type. Then, as before with previous versions I found that on average it crashes on every 4th of 5th video you try to play. Its no big deal, I use separate software for each need and just cannot understand why so many companies don't keep to what they are good at.... this make be a biased view after I had to meddle with a relatives PC last night for an hour after they found the CCleaner I keep loaded on there to run to keep things clean has added a new "autoload new drivers" function! Of course they pressed it and it crashed the sound driver so muggins had to look at it. Just stick to what you know and keep and maintain your good reputation......
For the record
I use
Plex: Films and TV
VLC: Sports & TV series not covered by plex
PotPlayer: Music Videos
Mediamonkey: My Music, Music to check out, Spotify
Audiobooks: Smart Audiobook on mobile, Audible & Itunes on PC.

Thanks both for your continued help!
Lankylad

by **Lowlander** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:29 am

The team will be there whenever you're ready. Hope you feel better soon!

by **Lankylad** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:26 am

Lowlander wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:46 pm You can disable the Info Panel for the Playlist: https://www.mediamonkey.com/wiki/WebHel ... _Displayed

As for the scrolling, you may want to capture this in a debug log (step 4b) and attach the log to a Support Ticket: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=86643
This may allow the developers to analyze why this works differently for you.

Thankyou Lowlander, that's great re the info panel. I will take a look at the debug stuff later. I have health issues which is why its sometimes a few days between posts. Just started on a bad role last night so not really feeling like messing. Will see in a while.
Thanks again!

by **Barry4679** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:03 am

Lankylad wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:40 pm Hi Barry
quick video re the mouse
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4arcblwfim3c3 ... 5.mp4?dl=0
Cheers

I tried with PlayLists, which I had not tried before. I still see the expected result.
Exactly the same mouse settings as you, and Windows 10 64 bit also.

You haven't got another mouse you could try?

Hopefully they can find what is causing it. It would be annoying in a large panel, but it would completely wreck mouse wheel usage in a small panel like the Column Filter panel.

by **Lowlander** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:46 pm

You can disable the Info Panel for the Playlist: https://www.mediamonkey.com/wiki/WebHel ... _Displayed

As for the scrolling, you may want to capture this in a debug log (step 4b) and attach the log to a Support Ticket: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=86643
This may allow the developers to analyze why this works differently for you.

by **Lankylad** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:40 pm

Barry4679 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:49 pm
Lankylad wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:32 pm OK I have created a short video to show the issues I was referring to, re New Imports being added but not updating in column browser until you move off for a moment. Also the problem with the mouse wheel becoming over active.

I hope this works, not made one of these in years.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dam9wxsiduz8l ... e.mp4?dl=0
Hi Lankylad

I think that you said in an earlier post that you had reviewed your mouse settings.
I originally had the same mouse wheel problem, and i resolved it via mouse settings.
Press the Windows key and type mouse
you see this? ... nb. Windows 10

you can see, via the mouse hover tooltip, that I have set this to three

once I made that change MM5 scrolls past three rows for each notch in the mouse wheel ratchet

that's a global setting, so it impacts all apps on your PC

Hi Barry
quick video re the mouse
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4arcblwfim3c3 ... 5.mp4?dl=0
Cheers

by **Barry4679** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:23 am

Peke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:26 pm The solution for MM would be to handle RAW Mouse Data, but I personally think that it would 1000% create more issues than it would fix.

Such little faith

I think that MM needs to find some solution, even if it only in the (missing?) easily found Problems section in the Online Help or FAQ.

I experienced this issue in the alpha, when they first introduced the Column Filter widget into MM5.
A mouse setup incomparability with MM5 makes MM5 look very bad. I was touching the Column Filter, and it jerked away wildly. ... ie. wrecked the usefulness of it. ... Exactly what you don't want happening when someone is evaluating a shift to MM5.

And I am not so sure that it isn't feasible to fix this in MM5. The OP's point about the missing Up}Down arrows from top|bottom of the scroll bar is a good point. They are the mouse equivalent of the Page Up|Down keys. They were present to MM4, and are missing from MM5. ... MM5 literature says that it is tablet ready. How do tablet people use the Column filter without these?

BTW: The Page Up|Down keys work well. Ie. the bottom row becomes the top row. The user is not disorientated by a scroll off into the middle of nowhere. ... But they only work if the relevant Column filter row has focus, which is why the mouse is preferred for this type of action.

by **Peke** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:26 pm

Hi,
THX Barry for pointing to mouse driver:
Here is what my tests found:
1. Every Mouse Hardware have scroll speed and Report Rate, some defaults My defaults are 500hz and Scroll Speed 1 and exactly like on your Video single scroll point tells MM to scroll 3 lines of height 24px (my font is 100% and line is 18px) which result in scrolling 4 lines visually. Keyboard navigation tells MM to scroll line height eg. 18px so there is no effect.
2. Changing Scroll Speed to three then one scroll point scrolls exactly 12 lines because repeat rate on Scroll point is multiplied by 3

3. Increasing Report Rate lowers LAG in Scroll event so it is harder to scroll only 1 point, usually I get 2 every few points and I suspect on lower quality scroll sensor

4. All test are done in RAW/Direct Input Mouse reading and when I tell Windows to send/handle mouse scroll events (eg. default value) things are becoming mess where I can't easily find which is head and which is tail. To be honest I have not planned to write a study about mouse scroll speeds, behavior, settings, sensors, hardware, build quality, software, driver, Windows.

The solution for MM would be to handle RAW Mouse Data, but I personally think that it would 1000% create more issues than it would fix.

My Mouse Initial Test settings and how I changed them:

EDIT: Forgot to mention the mouse used in testing is RedDragon M908 Impact

by **Barry4679** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:24 pm

Lankylad wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:39 pm Re the mouse, yes I had checked that it was set to Multiple lines not screen. I had also found that if I set it to 1 line per time it did indeed make it easy to control MM5. However, that also made it slow as death for all other programs. I tried to see if I could find a compromise but as soon as I take the number to 2 or more then it starts moving too quickly in MM5. I will just have to learn to use the keyboard until it get solved in an update I guess.

We had a posting clash last time

I doubt that any future MM5 change is going affect what you see.
I noticed a change between MM4 & MM5. MM5 was skipping a line when mouse was set to One Screen At A Time mode.
I got it going OK with Multiple Lines At A Time, but you say you already have that setting.

I have mouse set to 3, and this is what I get.
I could set the mouse to a larger number if I wanted to increase the height of the Column Filter widget.

A better mouse will auto-shift between a a fixed and a free spin if you do the thumb wheel action with a bit of urgency, and|or have a button to toggle between spin modes. This could help overcome the "slow as death" issue with other applications?

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