by Barry4679 » Fri May 14, 2021 3:11 am
MiPi wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:10 am
Simply use Home/End, not Ctrl+Home, Ctrl causes, that selection is not done (then you need to use arrows to make selection).
If you scroll selection out, this selection is not visible, well, sorry, but it is expected, it is the same in any other list anywhere. Sometimes there could be statusbar with state info, but filter columns should be as simple as possible.
Thanks, that works.
My muscle memory wants to press the Ctrl key also ... must have been some application I had long ago.
Both options worked the same in MM4 ... it would assist migration if both worked in MM5 also wouldn't it? .. Windows default for Ctrl+Home is "go to top of document" isn't it? So it should work.
MiPi wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:10 am
If you scroll selection out, this selection is not visible, well, sorry, but it is expected, it is the same in any other list anywhere.
True, but with MM5 you have created some complexity when clearing the Column Fitter.
It was simple in MM4:
- toggle the left column from some setting to the "All" cell
- ===> job done ... all filter columns have been cleared
But no more. Your MM5 change, for which I can't think of a Use Case, makes the task of clearing more error prone.
Your recent tweak assists as a warning when changing, but the situation is still not 100% IMO.
You didn't like my other idea.
How about this? I think that it is better.
The font colour change in section B of that image makes it clearer which columns contain active filters.
Assuming that it is not hard to do, it seems a worthwhile change to me.
MiPi wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:10 amSometimes there could be statusbar with state info, but filter columns should be as simple as possible.
Well, yes you could do more.
This is
how Excel does it. There is a icon on the column heading to indicate that there is a active filter using that column, and the tool tip shows the filter criteria.
You could do something like that, but I think it would be acceptable if the UI just indicated which columns are active ... and I think that there is zero case for the UI not to indicate which columns are active.
Another point is the border style for an active filter cell.
Which cell here is the active filter ?
Is not easy to say, ... Is it Billy Bragg or is it Alison Krause?
Confusion is created by mouse resting position ... and is especially bad is this skin ... which needs fixing because it is the default skin isn't it.
But anyway, it is
a lot easier to see what is going on here.
Why don't you create the dotted border when selection is by mouse click? ... you do create the border when selection is via keyboard.
The dotted border is preferable as shown the the above diagram. ,,, Can the border for selection by mouse click be fixed?
[quote=MiPi post_id=481494 time=1620918603 user_id=27459]
Simply use Home/End, not Ctrl+Home, Ctrl causes, that selection is not done (then you need to use arrows to make selection).
If you scroll selection out, this selection is not visible, well, sorry, but it is expected, it is the same in any other list anywhere. Sometimes there could be statusbar with state info, but filter columns should be as simple as possible.
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Thanks, that works.
My muscle memory wants to press the Ctrl key also ... must have been some application I had long ago.
Both options worked the same in MM4 ... it would assist migration if both worked in MM5 also wouldn't it? .. Windows default for Ctrl+Home is "go to top of document" isn't it? So it should work.
[quote=MiPi post_id=481494 time=1620918603 user_id=27459]
If you scroll selection out, this selection is not visible, well, sorry, but it is expected, it is the same in any other list anywhere.
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True, but with MM5 you have created some complexity when clearing the Column Fitter.
It was simple in MM4:
[list]toggle the left column from some setting to the "All" cell[/list]
[list][b]===> job done[/b] ... all filter columns have been cleared[/list]
But no more. Your MM5 change, for which I can't think of a Use Case, makes the task of clearing more error prone.
Your recent tweak assists as a warning when changing, but the situation is still not 100% IMO.
You didn't like my other idea. [url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/bnn4b1x08ij8z99/active%20filters%20clearly%20indicated.png?dl=0]How about this[/url]? I think that it is better.
The font colour change in section B of that image makes it clearer which columns contain active filters.
Assuming that it is not hard to do, it seems a worthwhile change to me.
[quote=MiPi post_id=481494 time=1620918603 user_id=27459]Sometimes there could be statusbar with state info, but filter columns should be as simple as possible.
[/quote]
Well, yes you could do more.
This is [url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vufigafkvsads5/excel%20active%20filters.png?dl=0]how Excel does it[/url]. There is a icon on the column heading to indicate that there is a active filter using that column, and the tool tip shows the filter criteria.
You could do something like that, but I think it would be acceptable if the UI just indicated which columns are active ... and I think that there is zero case for the UI not to indicate which columns are active.
Another point is the border style for an active filter cell.
[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/rdwu7uxvgo68k6m/alison%20or%20billy.png?dl=0]Which cell here is the active filter[/url] ?
Is not easy to say, ... Is it Billy Bragg or is it Alison Krause?
Confusion is created by mouse resting position ... and is especially bad is this skin ... which needs fixing because it is the default skin isn't it.
But anyway, it is [url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qguwcr2hzrnjkq/billy.png?dl=0]a lot easier to see what is going on here.[/url]
Why don't you create the dotted border when selection is by mouse click? ... you do create the border when selection is via keyboard.
The dotted border is preferable as shown the the above diagram. ,,, Can the border for selection by mouse click be fixed?