by astro46 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:48 pm
Peke wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:10 pm
astro46 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 pm
I don't have any devices on my local network that mm5 should need to connect with. There are no other media playing devices that it needs to communicate with, or obtain data from. But apparently mm5 will continue to poll network, just in case a network device comes on line 5 minutes from now, or an hour from now, or tonight. Why not turn it off?
OK, why not deleting UPNP.DLL then?
I have done that, and it works for stopping the repeated polling. It doesn't seem right to expect users to remember to delete a file/function that they don't use, every time program is updated. if it is optional use, makes more sense to be able to toggle it off/on in settings. which will carry over through updates.
astro46 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 pm
as for mm5 needing information from internet, seems it should use a url, like every other program. 192.168.0.1 won't connect it to someplace on internet. only to a router control panel. perhaps you could supply a reference for your statement about this.
That is not true if 192.168.0.1 is your gateway and DNS for your internet then if you want to access
https://www.mediamonkey.com/ then your PC needs to ask your router on 192.168.0.1 for right IP address of mediamonkey.com which is in fact
http://www.mediamonkey.com/ ->
http://54.39.221.200/ or you would get URL address unknown. Real life example would be to tell you navigation application on your phone(Router in this case) "Hey google" -> "Show me closest Walmart store in Longmont Colorado" -> "Closest is Supercenter #905 2285 East Ken Pratt Blvd, Longmont, CO 80504". Well you accessed microphone, recorded your voice, accessed voice recognition. But your phone is checking from time to time if you have said "Hey google", If you disable it then it was like you deleted UPnP.dll in MM.
that is a great example of the use and and need for polling. and why, since i have siri turned off on my iphone, i expect it isn't constantly scanning for instructions. Note that even apple gives option for turning off the scanning(siri).
as for 192.168.0.1, this doesn't naturally flow into a discussion of dns servers. I have not heard of a gateway (a combination modem/router in a local/home network) that can serve dns. there are a limited number of dns servers, and one of them is definitely not in My house. Gateways, or network settings on a local computer default to the internet service provider or can be set to direct dns calls to a particular dns server on internet like Opendns or Cloudflare. 192.168.0.1 is already an internet ready address and doesn't need a dns server. if the router sees 192.168.0.1, and that is the router's address, it stops there, knowing that this is a call to speak to the router (or gateway). anything else passes through to the internet to a destination or a dns server, to have the friendly name converted to an internet usable address. I'm sure that you already know all this, so don't understand why you refer to router address and dns at the same time.
astro46 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 pmdid you write the code for all this, or is the code imported (a subprogram) from somewhere else?
No we did not write that code for this Microsoft did
according to published a paper entitled "A Protocol for Packet Network Intercommunication" that was in May 1974 written by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) or its upgraded versions.
would be good to know why microsoft thinks it advisable to keep trying to contact routers. If you can explain this, i would appreciate it. A response would be the router login screen? Then what? Again, i have not had any other software attempting to do this.
iac: would be nice to simply turn it off, rather than have a function continually cranking away in the background every 15 seconds that serves no purpose on my system. I may have the computer resources to deal with it. what about people that don't?
[quote=Peke post_id=480251 time=1618189804 user_id=213]
[quote=astro46 post_id=480231 time=1618115423 user_id=111693]
I don't have any devices on my local network that mm5 should need to connect with. There are no other media playing devices that it needs to communicate with, or obtain data from. But apparently mm5 will continue to poll network, just in case a network device comes on line 5 minutes from now, or an hour from now, or tonight. Why not turn it off?[/quote]OK, why not deleting UPNP.DLL then?
I have done that, and it works for stopping the repeated polling. It doesn't seem right to expect users to remember to delete a file/function that they don't use, every time program is updated. if it is optional use, makes more sense to be able to toggle it off/on in settings. which will carry over through updates.
[quote=astro46 post_id=480231 time=1618115423 user_id=111693]
as for mm5 needing information from internet, seems it should use a url, like every other program. 192.168.0.1 won't connect it to someplace on internet. only to a router control panel. perhaps you could supply a reference for your statement about this.[/quote]That is not true if 192.168.0.1 is your gateway and DNS for your internet then if you want to access https://www.mediamonkey.com/ then your PC needs to ask your router on 192.168.0.1 for right IP address of mediamonkey.com which is in fact http://www.mediamonkey.com/ -> http://54.39.221.200/ or you would get URL address unknown. Real life example would be to tell you navigation application on your phone(Router in this case) "Hey google" -> "Show me closest Walmart store in Longmont Colorado" -> "Closest is Supercenter #905 2285 East Ken Pratt Blvd, Longmont, CO 80504". Well you accessed microphone, recorded your voice, accessed voice recognition. But your phone is checking from time to time if you have said "Hey google", If you disable it then it was like you deleted UPnP.dll in MM.
that is a great example of the use and and need for polling. and why, since i have siri turned off on my iphone, i expect it isn't constantly scanning for instructions. Note that even apple gives option for turning off the scanning(siri).
as for 192.168.0.1, this doesn't naturally flow into a discussion of dns servers. I have not heard of a gateway (a combination modem/router in a local/home network) that can serve dns. there are a limited number of dns servers, and one of them is definitely not in My house. Gateways, or network settings on a local computer default to the internet service provider or can be set to direct dns calls to a particular dns server on internet like Opendns or Cloudflare. 192.168.0.1 is already an internet ready address and doesn't need a dns server. if the router sees 192.168.0.1, and that is the router's address, it stops there, knowing that this is a call to speak to the router (or gateway). anything else passes through to the internet to a destination or a dns server, to have the friendly name converted to an internet usable address. I'm sure that you already know all this, so don't understand why you refer to router address and dns at the same time.
[quote=astro46 post_id=480231 time=1618115423 user_id=111693]did you write the code for all this, or is the code imported (a subprogram) from somewhere else?
[/quote]No we did not write that code for this Microsoft did [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Protocol#Version_history]according to published a paper entitled "A Protocol for Packet Network Intercommunication" that was in May 1974 written by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) or its upgraded versions[/url].
[/quote]
would be good to know why microsoft thinks it advisable to keep trying to contact routers. If you can explain this, i would appreciate it. A response would be the router login screen? Then what? Again, i have not had any other software attempting to do this.
iac: would be nice to simply turn it off, rather than have a function continually cranking away in the background every 15 seconds that serves no purpose on my system. I may have the computer resources to deal with it. what about people that don't?