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Re: Sync between two Computers

by Peke » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:54 pm

HI,
I'll try to explain in as much details as possible.

1. It is not entirely possible as both PCs need to have exact same resolution and that both PCs do not access same Library at same time (SQLite which MM uses as library format for speed and stability do not support concurrent access to same library file from two different applications or location)

2. You first need to setup MM as portable application on one PC (Portable option is selected during install) then scan all your files using UNC paths not Mapped drive letters as that way paths will be the same on any PC you start MM. After that you need to copy Portable installation folder to your NAS on shared resource so that both PCs can access it and start application directly from shared resource. That way both PC access same library, files and playlists and manage them exactly the same.

3. I do not understand hat you are talking about as you are talking about two completely different access and listening protocols. MMA access shared resources by using UPnP/DLNA protocol and Windows MM access shared resources using Windows networking Samba/SMB/CIFS protocol, which are two completely different things. MMA can't maintain playlists over DLNA as that protocol do not have remote playlist and file management.

Point of article you refer is to present proof of capability even not supported natively, but it is for advanced users that know what they are doing and acknowledging that even it works it is not 100 fool proof and stable. Only solution in your case is that MM is started as NAS application/service to act as server, which will allow you to access files and playlists for any MM that acts as a client. We already started to remedy and create such application as Free MediaMonkey Server viewforum.php?f=31 but it will take some time till it is in fully working state for daily use and on various NAS devices.

What NAS make and model you use?

All above is explained with testings of MM5 and not MM4 because MM4 proved to be unstable and simply not designed to fully work in network enviroment at time of design (MM4 is based on app design and behavior tech from 15 years ago).

If there is any unclear stuff please let us know and we will try to clear them.

Re: Sync between two Computers

by Mototunes » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:14 pm

I've spent hours trying to get this to work with MM4 Gold based on the info on this page: https://www.mediamonkey.com/support/kno ... vironment/, (specifically 'Sharing your Media Files' and 'Sharing the MediaMonkey Database') but the instructions are not clear & I haven't been able to get them to work. I feel that if they were explained in a way that's relative to my requirements, which are pretty much the same as the original poster & most of the people who've posted here over the years, they might work.

What I Need

1) Keep everything (all app settings [UI], music; ratings, renames, notes, additions, deletions, playlists, etc...), sync'd between 2 PCs on a home network with a NAS
2) Store & access all music files in a shared NAS location
3) Have the ability to use 1 PC offline & still have some music on it to play (ie: music in certain playlists?), similar to how it works with my Android phone

Is my only choice, REALLY, to pay more for these highly-requested, common features in your incomplete/problematic-in-yet-unforeseen-other-ways ALPHA & BETA version 5 release products!? I liked what I originally saw in your v4 product & I supported you with my purchase of a gold version, but it is lacking these basic & needed functions. I have been watching & waiting & spending all kinds of time with your complex suggested methods over the years (this thread was created in 2013!), but I'm not a programmer, nor a daily user of your app, so I don't know all the tech details: I just need it to work!

So, can someone please explain to me if what I'm looking for is possible with v4, & if so, explain it clearly?

Thank you

Re: Sync between two Computers

by Lowlander » Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:49 pm

MMW5 is in late stage beta and creates a copy of your database.

MMS is in early alpha though, so that's something to be really cautious about.

Re: Sync between two Computers

by Schniz2 » Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:35 pm

Lowlander wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:28 pm DLNA provides playback only, no write access. MediaMonkey Server (early Alpha) in combo with MediaMonkey 5/MMA2 would provide a better setup: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=90809

Related: https://www.mediamonkey.com/support/kno ... vironment/
Thanks Lowlander. Is there any risk of messing up my library using a beta version? Don't want to lose hours spent rating songs/organising.

Re: Sync between two Computers

by Lowlander » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:28 pm

DLNA provides playback only, no write access. MediaMonkey Server (early Alpha) in combo with MediaMonkey 5/MMA2 would provide a better setup: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=90809

Related: https://www.mediamonkey.com/support/kno ... vironment/

Sync Between 2 PC's (and one MMA)

by Schniz2 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:57 pm

Hi,

I aplologise if I'm asking something that has already been answered - can only find older posts which don't really explain how to do what i want to do.
I have MMW running on a Desktop and a Laptop. Also have MMA on one phone.

I have got MMA to sync metadata (took me a while!!) but I cant work out how to Sync metadata between PC's. I would like to be able to add/delete items to and from the library on either PC install as well that would keep both libraries updated.

From what i have read, it seems like MMW installation libraries are individual because of the local drives serial number so i dont know if this is possible.
I use "syncthing" to sync photos between PC's - would this work to keep the libraries identical and the metadata updated?

I mostly use the Laptop on my home network anyway - am i better off using DLNA to stream music from Desktop - Laptop and just having one "master" library on my Desktop? Will I have write access to files on the DLNA server? I have never set something like this up so don't really know what i'm talking about ;)

Is is possible to set up the laptop as a second "Portable device" that i could sync to the Desktop?

Otherwise, i was thinking i could use wifi sync between Desktop-MMA, and then Laptop-MMA and this would at least keep the metadata updated? I was hoping there was a less clumsy way to do this?

Re: Sync two Windows computers

by Peke » Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:33 pm

Hi,
this is something that MMS (MediaMonkey Server) should gap, but it is still in early stage and free on github.

Re: Sync two Windows computers

by dypsis » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:25 pm

I'd really like to be able to sync MM between computers. Database sync such as Play history would be great.

Synchronise 2 PC

by hulk69 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:48 pm

Hi All
I have been able to make the DLNA work with no problem with 2 PC, but what I would like to achieve is to sync PC2 on PC1.

Like that if I buy an album and add it to PC1 I can sync PC2 and get it added easily.

Is there a way to do it at the moment?

Thanks

Re: Sync two Windows computers

by Lowlander » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:28 pm

1) Folder Monitoring can do this: https://www.mediamonkey.com/wiki/index. ... he_Library

2) This is where it gets complicated. Once imported MediaMonkey doesn't update it from the external Playlist file. Shared database may be better: https://www.mediamonkey.com/support/ind ... nvironment

3) Tags (including Ratings) are saved to the files by default and by default scanning picks up any changes.

4) Bookmarking is done in the database only, thus a shared database would be required.

MediaMonkey 5 (MM5) can work with MediaMonkey Server (MMS) and MMS can be installed on a NAS directly (depending on manufacturer). This may end up working better in your scenario (both are still beta products though).

Re: Sync two Windows computers

by noname32 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:16 am

Joe93738 wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:53 pm I have a desktop with MM on it and recently got a laptop that I'd like to have MM on as well. Is there an easy way to sync libraries between the two computers? I've found several topics on this issue from a year or two ago and the answer was "no," but I didn't see any recent ones and thought I'd ask again.

If this feature doesn't exist (like a cloud sync feature), it would be hugely beneficial to users with more than one computer.

I have similar problem I'm trying to resolve.
Music library on NAS,already organized.
What I want from MM is to access my music,create some playlists,ratings, maybe edit tags and play it.
I'have have 2 computers I'm using to access my music on same network. MM installation on both of them.
My question is what would by the best way to synchronize MM changes I've made between them.
This is what I need to resolve for now.
1. Adding music - re scan music library?
2. Creating or editing playlist? Manually export and import or is there some other way to sync more
changes on the and of the day.
3. Songs ratings? Have no idea.
4. Continue to listen e.g. audio book? I'm not sure if there will be way to share this between those to
comps.Probably only way will be manually open audio book on
other PC at desired time and continue listen.

Re: Sync two Windows computers

by onegear » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:33 am

Mox wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:16 pm Thanks, Jiri. So, to make sure that I understand what you mean by "I think that the cloud sync in MM5 should cover your needs," does this mean I should:
  • install MM5 on both my desktop PC and laptop PC
  • point them both to my cloud music collection, instead of a local collection of my music
  • and then each song file's metadata (ratings, category, etc.) and playlists' data are also stored in the cloud and therefore will be the same on both computers' MM5 after a metadata change on either PC?
A scenario to verify: Let's say I've got MM5 on both computers, both pointing to the same cloud-based music collection. If I play a song on my laptop and add it to a particular custom playlist, and also change its rating from 3 to 4, and then, when I'm back home, if I play the same song on my desktop PC's MM5, it will "know" that the song's rating is now 4, and the custom playlist will now show that song in its list?

Sorry for working hard to be absolutely certain. I don't want to spend a lot of time setting something up based on an assumption that is not correct. Thanks!
I take it by the lack of response that the answer to Mox's scenario is no?

Re: Sync two Windows computers

by Joe93738 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:53 pm

I have a desktop with MM on it and recently got a laptop that I'd like to have MM on as well. Is there an easy way to sync libraries between the two computers? I've found several topics on this issue from a year or two ago and the answer was "no," but I didn't see any recent ones and thought I'd ask again.

If this feature doesn't exist (like a cloud sync feature), it would be hugely beneficial to users with more than one computer.

Re: Sync two Windows computers

by Mox » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:16 pm

Thanks, Jiri. So, to make sure that I understand what you mean by "I think that the cloud sync in MM5 should cover your needs," does this mean I should:
  • install MM5 on both my desktop PC and laptop PC
  • point them both to my cloud music collection, instead of a local collection of my music
  • and then each song file's metadata (ratings, category, etc.) and playlists' data are also stored in the cloud and therefore will be the same on both computers' MM5 after a metadata change on either PC?
A scenario to verify: Let's say I've got MM5 on both computers, both pointing to the same cloud-based music collection. If I play a song on my laptop and add it to a particular custom playlist, and also change its rating from 3 to 4, and then, when I'm back home, if I play the same song on my desktop PC's MM5, it will "know" that the song's rating is now 4, and the custom playlist will now show that song in its list?

Sorry for working hard to be absolutely certain. I don't want to spend a lot of time setting something up based on an assumption that is not correct. Thanks!

Re: Sync two Windows computers

by jiri » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:39 am

Yes, MM5 is the new 5.0 version of MM (currently a beta version) and yes, MMS is server version of MM (currently alpha), which works in cooperation with MM5 installed on a Windows machine. You can check out both here in the MM5 forum: https://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=29. Sorry for the confusion, hopefully it's clearer now.

I think that the cloud sync in MM5 should cover your needs. And, also an installation of MMS on your PC should work fine -- since MMS doesn't require a NAS, it can be installed anywhere.

Jiri

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