Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

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Re: Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

Post by Peke » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:31 pm

I still can't replicate, Can you send DL link for that exact file in PM so that I can test?
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Re: Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

Post by MMJuno » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:27 pm

Just sent a dropbox link in PM. Thanks for looking into it!

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Re: Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

Post by Peke » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:48 pm

Hi,
Sample track is OK with me
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Re: Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

Post by MMJuno » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:38 am

That list only shows "Track Artist" though.

What do you see if you choose to edit the scrobble?

There should be both a "Track Artist" (just labeled "Artist") and an "Album Artist" in the edit pop-up. Artist should be "Neotek" while Album Artist should be "Various Artists", if it came over correctly.

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Re: Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

Post by MMJuno » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:20 am

To try and clarify further why this is an issue, even though "Album Artist" isn't actually displayed on LastFM in most locations:

Imagine you have a movie soundtrack "SomeMovie" with 10 tracks all by different artists. You have the album tagged as "Various Artists", but the tracks are all tagged with the individual artist (ex: Track1 - ArtistA, Track2 -ArtistB, etc.). You listen to the entire album once (10 plays total).

On LastFM, all plays for this album should all be grouped under "Various Artists", so on your Albums list you'd have "Various Artists - SomeMovie - 10 plays". If it's submitting the "Track Artist" as the "Album Artist" instead, then you end up with essentially 10 duplicate albums by 10 different artists with the same album name but only 1 track and play each (ex: "ArtistA - SomeMovie - 1 play", "ArtistB - SomeMovie - 1 play", etc.).

In other words, this really messes up the album play counts, although the artist play counts should still be ok since these go by "Track Artist".

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Re: Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

Post by Peke » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:11 pm

Hi,
It is how Scrobble protocol work. Plugin uses older protocol and MM5 native support is integrated with latest WEB API, which you can try.
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Re: Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

Post by MMJuno » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:33 pm

So, if I am understanding correctly, you're saying you cannot submit the "Album Artist" tag using the old protocol?

If so, I'm curious how I could have ended up with scrobbles pre-2014 that have it correct as "Various Artists" but post-2014 are all "Track Artist"..?

There are a couple of plugins I rely on heavily, so I'm not sure if I am prepared to try moving to MM5 yet, unfortunately.


I just recalled that the "edit scrobble" feature is only available to subscribers on LastFM. So, you may not even be able to even see that option.

If that's the case, look at your albums and go to the last few pages. For example, I know for a fact that the "Now That's What I Call Music" series should be Album Artist = Various Artists, but I see where you have one of these albums credited to will.i.am in your list (which should only be the track artist).

So, comparing Media Monkey's track properties window to the LFM API reference I see here (https://www.last.fm/api/show/track.scrobble):

MM --> LFM
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Artist(s) --> artist (Required)
Title --> track (Required)
Album --> album (Optional)
Album Artist(s) --> albumArtist (Optional) <-- This is where there seems to be an issue. Is this even being sent, since it's optional?

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Re: Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

Post by Peke » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:41 pm

Hi,
Yes MM plugin Uses old deprecated 1.2.1 submission protocol and you are referring to 2.0 version see https://www.last.fm/api/scrobbling

I checked 1.2.1 API and out of tags plugin sends Title, Artist, Album only no Album Artist, it is up to Last.FM to Group Album Artist.

MM5 Use v2.0 Scrobbling.
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Re: Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

Post by MMJuno » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:24 am

Not sure when the API changed, but from the WayBack Machine cache from November 2010, it looks like album artist was available even that far back: https://web.archive.org/web/20101124015 ... ervice=443

I'm not seeing anything about the API version number here, so I can't be sure.


I'm guessing that it's unlikely this plugin would be updated to support the 2.0 version?

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Re: Last.fm Scrobbler 1.1.0.41 [Updated 11/27/2014]

Post by Peke » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:05 pm

Hi,
API changed long time ago, there was some licensing issues about switching to 2.0 in Plugin so it was left on 1.2.1.

You are right Plugin will not be updated to 2.0 which is natively supported in MM5
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