Better logging / Trace

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drapper
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Better logging / Trace

Post by drapper » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:38 am

Hi,
Great software, still the best!!
But I'm getting more professional, in my approach to managing my Music db.
Therefore one thing I do miss is a better tracking of :
  • Synchronisation activities
  • Tagging activities
  • Deleting activities
I think you get the idea.

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Re: Better logging / Trace

Post by Peke » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:07 pm

Hi,
Have you tried MM5?
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Re: Better logging / Trace

Post by drapper » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:19 pm

Hi, no I didn't.
I understand it is in beta. I'll give it a try.

When will MM5 be officially released ?
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Re: Better logging / Trace

Post by Peke » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:18 pm

Hi,
When we and users are satisfied.

MM5 ATM works as separate app and you can still use your MM4.x alongside as separate app.
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Re: Better logging / Trace

Post by Barry4679 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:13 am

drapper wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:38 am
Therefore one thing I do miss is a better tracking of :
  • Synchronisation activities
  • Tagging activities
  • Deleting activities
Peke wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:07 pm
Hi,
Have you tried MM5?
??? Have *you* tried MM5 Peke?

I see zero improvement there in the area of logging ... ie. audit trail of updates ... what do you see?

That's what the OP is asking for, isn't it?

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Re: Better logging / Trace

Post by Peke » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:32 am

Hi,
Yes I see much improvements, Debug logs are more verbose, MM5 is more responsive in sync, tagging, deleting activities and status is clearly visible (when you enable it).

Maybe I got what you refer to wrong?
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Re: Better logging / Trace

Post by Barry4679 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:05 am

I can't be certain, but I think that the OP was requesting an audit trail of updates made to the MM db ... ie re-tagging, track deletions, and movements from syncing.

I agree that MM5 offers a lot of improvement, but delivers nothing useful in that area.

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Re: Better logging / Trace

Post by Peke » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:50 pm

Hi,
Still not fully comprehend referring (Blame me for not being native English):
a) In Debug LOG?
b) Like an UNDO kind feature?
c) History Kind of log?
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Re: Better logging / Trace

Post by Barry4679 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:40 am

My guess is that the OP was meaning option "c) history kind of log"

ie. like a bank statement ... ?my bank balance has dropped by $145? ... I don't remember withdrawing $145? I only withdraw in hundred dollar units??... checks bank balance ... sees deposit of $55 and a withdrawal of $200 ... happy now

This is not my request, but I have requested a persistent log from sync activities, especially when the scan syncs metadata changes back to the MM db.

The current MM5 "log" is not helpful:
  • the "log" exists for sync to|from my Google Library, but does not exist for sync to|from my phone?
  • where it does exist, it is not persistent ... if you don't remember press the View Log button on the scan completion dbox, the log is destroyed ... if you don't manually save it, it is destroyed
  • iirc it shows whether a track was updated, but does not show details of the update
  • it includes actions upon tracks, but not on playlists
  • it is necessary IMO .. ie. dependant upon settings, a scan can alter your MM db and|or your scanned location ... tracks deletions, track insertions, and tag changes ... and in the case of tag changes it is difficult to predict ... ie. the documentation doesn't show which exactly tags may be updated
The OP seems to be asking for something additional ... ie. a log to include updates and retagging manually performed using the MM UI.

Something like an additional tab in the track inspector ... shows the update log for the track ... ie;
  • dd/mm/yy: scanned from cd
  • dd/mm/yy: Manual update using MM: track title changed from aaa to bbbb
  • dd/mm/yy: Auto-tag Update: track title changed from bbbb to ccc
  • dd/mm/yy: sync from phone: caused genre to be changed from xxx to yyy
  • etc
And a persistent audit trail showing date|cause of all track deletions.

I am kind of sorry that I made my initial post here now. I only did so because I think that the OP was asking for enhancement to the MM audit trial, and the advice coming from MM was to try MM5 ... and AFAICS, this is only going to lead to confusion and frustration, because there is no audit trail enhancement in MM5.

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Re: Better logging / Trace

Post by drapper » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:19 am

Hi, I'm back.

I've installed MM5 but I've really tried it yet/
Yes I was looking for some sort of audit trail as described above but usually audit trail feature has an impact on performance.
So I'll let you assess and strike the right balance between performance and added functionality.

But what @Barry4679 is describing is what I would be happy to have.

Thanks

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