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.dff (SACD) compatibily

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:10 am
by Otello
As you probably know, recently it has been discovered a trick to ripp the hi-res layer of SACDs (using a Sony PS3 with custom fimware); this way you get a DSD file (.dff extension) that may be converted in Wave/Flac, (using Korg Audiogate or Weiss Saracon), converted on-the-fly in PCM by an input plugin (like Foobar's DSDiff decoder), or passed as-is to a DSD compliant DAC.

So, I think MM developers should at least add the option of sending .DFF files via the digital output to a DAC which is DSD compliant. I'm not a programmer, but I think this task should be quite easy.
The second step, converting on-the-fly in PCM, is much more difficoult, for instance the quality of Foobar's plugin is quite poor, (on my side I get much better results converting off-line in Wave/Flac), but it could be a long term goal.

Re: .dff (SACD) compatibily

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:23 pm
by drubrew
I second this motion. Foobar can decode DSD, and I would much prefer to use MM.

Re: .dff (SACD) compatibily

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:30 pm
by Peke
Any resources we can look at?

Re: .dff (SACD) compatibily

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:44 am
by Otello
Peke wrote:Any resources we can look at?
I don't know what kind of resources you need, anyway converting DSD to PCM is not at all a trivial task, even worst if you want to convert on-the-fly; so to speak, AFAIK there are only 2 PC programs available for off-line convertion (see my previous msg), Saracon is better than Audiogate but VERY expensive; the Foobar plugin is very low quality, frankly speaking I'll not use a DSD plugin for MM of the same quality ot the Foobar one, and I'll continue to convert off-line.
But, I repeat, a pass-thru for .dff files as with JRiver (to be used with a DSD compliant DAC) should be quite easy.

Re: .dff (SACD) compatibily

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:31 am
by Nelson salgado
Any news on this topic ?

Re: .dff (SACD) compatibily

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:58 pm
by jmcc
It seems that Sony is actively promoting this format again for downloadable files (see where you can download 3 DSD free downloads) - so an input plug-in that supports it would be great. gives some information about media player support for these.

Re: .dff (SACD) compatibily

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:00 pm
by Peke
I would say WOW as MMW is in the list but as non supported, I've listened SACD and same tracks in HQ FLAC and frankly FLAC sounded better.

EDIT: About Sony, they tend to support (Read "sc**w") big time some format that would archive greatness. Occasionally they score some eg. Blue-Ray even ATRAC and MiniDisks Failed. Was Video disks theirs also, beta MAX can't remember all ???

Re: .dff (SACD) compatibily

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:19 am
by jmcc
Hi Pavle - agreed concerning Sony and their continued championing of "white elephant" formats; though to be fair they did specify CD with Philips. The reason that I brought up DSD is that there's just been an article in Hi-Fi World (Sep 2013 p10) extolling the virtues of DSD and I notice that a small but growing number of DACs are supporting it - probably due to the newly ratified DoP (DSD over PCM) standard.

For instance the latest Lynx Hilo converter literature states:
New DSD Playback

This allows Hilo to play DSD audio files received via USB, AES-3 or S/PDIF. Hilo supports the recently adopted DoP V1.1 standard which is a method for transferring DSD audio over PCM frames. Playback of DSD using this method is provided by a growing number of software vendors including Channel D, Merging Technologies, JRiver and Audirvana.

Re: .dff (SACD) compatibily

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 7:46 am
by jmcc
Hi - I see that support for DSD is going to be added in MMW 5.0 (feature 0012458). Will this just be for DACs that support DSD natively or will you also be putting in a Codec that transcodes DSD to PCM obviating the need for a DAC change? Obviously the latter would be fab. Best John

Super Audio CD

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:13 pm
by audioalien
Would like to play DSD (dsf/dff) files. Any suggestions?

Re: Super Audio CD

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:53 pm
by yarguy
audioalien wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:13 pm
Would like to play DSD (dsf/dff) files. Any suggestions?
Get roon, JRiver or Audirvana; you will need equipment that supports this. Vox will convert automatically dsd to PCM. A number of programs have moved ahead of Media Monkey, which has decided to move backwards and invest its MM5 resources in supporting MP3 only Google Play.