Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

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Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by nonob » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:03 am

Hi,
When i listen to my music shared from MMW Upnp server, i can't rate it on MMW upnp client. Is there a way to allow it or is it a Upnp potocol limitation ?
If it isn't possible with Upnp, what do you recommend ?

i think there is these solutions :
Use MMA to play music on the renderer MMW upnp "client", so i can rate music directly on my phone.
Use a mmw shared database ?

Thanks
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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by Lowlander » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:02 pm

No, DLNA is just a streaming protocol, it doesn't allow for editing.
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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by nonob » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:47 pm

Thanks.

What do you recommend as solution to listen to my MMW server on another computer (lan) and with rating possibility ?
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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by Lowlander » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:03 pm

I personally use a single PC with single unshared DB for most my editing. Occasionally I'll correct a tag on MMA and sync this back to MMW. Everything else streams (DLNA) or syncs (MMA/iOS) from this single DB. (DB integrity/Play History/AutoPlaylists are important to me).

A shared DB could work, but network sharing a DB will result in slower operations (as network is slower than local drive) and may result in conflict (if multiple PCs access DB at same time): http://www.mediamonkey.com/support/inde ... nvironment

You don't necessarily need to share the DB if you're just concerned about tagging (it would be easier if you're concerned about Play History and/or Playlists as well). You can tag files on any PC and then rescan on other PCs to see the changes.
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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by nonob » Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:11 am

Lowlander wrote:I personally use a single PC with single unshared DB for most my editing.
Me too.
Occasionally I'll correct a tag on MMA and sync this back to MMW.
Yes, it's possible but it is not convenient : the only edit i have to do is change rate. When i'm listening to my music on another PC (not my mmw main pc), i would change rating of track playing, and this isn't possible with MMW client connected to MMW server. I fi want to use my phone to rate the playing song on my PC, i have to make a search of the song..., it's a long process..

One solution could be to use my phone to listen my music with MMA, but with rendering on my PC to have the sound output on my speakers.
I could also use only my phone and use its jack output, but when i'm working on my PC, i prefer to use it to listen music and let my phone "not used" for music (even more when i'm working and could receive calls).
A shared DB could work, but network sharing a DB will result in slower operations (as network is slower than local drive) and may result in conflict (if multiple PCs access DB at same time): http://www.mediamonkey.com/support/inde ... nvironment
I ever used a shared database bit it is more complex to install on each client, and i lose the advantage of UPNP..
You don't necessarily need to share the DB if you're just concerned about tagging (it would be easier if you're concerned about Play History and/or Playlists as well). You can tag files on any PC and then rescan on other PCs to see the changes.
I don't understand, what do you mean exactly : if i listen to a track on my MMW "client" connected to my "MMW UPNP server" and want to rate this track, i can't change its "tag" (rate), it is the prupose of this topic, isn't ?

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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by Lowlander » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:34 am

No, each MMW can have it's own DB and only the media files are shared. Edits can then be done on any PC, others will have to rescan to see edits.
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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by nonob » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:47 am

Ok, i understand, you mean i should add as watched folder on my MMW client, a SMB shared folder located on my distant mmw PC ?

I didn't think to this solution ;) , actually i have MMW client used only with shared media server.

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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by Lowlander » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:14 pm

Yes, sharing just the media will still do the trick if all MMWs are being updated regularly. However as mentioned you loose things like Playlists (particularly AutoPlaylists) and Play History).
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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by nonob » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:29 am

Hi,

I found that i can use the node "network" and listen to my music shared from smb. I can rate tracks without the need to add tracks to the local library, but when i start MM, it is more complicated to navigate to the smb folder (Microsoft\Workgroup\PC1\..Etc...) than if tracks were added to local library..

I have an idea :
I listen to my music from upnp client and when i want to rate a song, i can use my mmremote android app connected to my mmw server, and display "50 last listened songs". From here i can rate tracks :)
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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by nonob » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:15 am

Lowlander wrote:No, DLNA is just a streaming protocol, it doesn't allow for editing.
Today i try the Mediamonkey Windows "Modern app" and i'm surprised to be able to rate track i listen from my MMW UPNP server !?
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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by Lowlander » Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:19 am

You'll find that the file on the server isn't modified. MM8 is not maintained at the moment and a beta product.
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Re: Is it possible to rate a track from UPNP MMW client ?

Post by nonob » Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:36 pm

Ok :)
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