by Barry4679 » Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:56 pm
Peke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:13 am
Hi,
Barry4679 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:23 am
It just seems illogical that I can turn off Internet access for tag, art & lyrics lookup, but I can't turn off the Wikipedia access.
Why? Just because Big Brother says so?
Disable Info Panel and it will not be shown/accessed
Thanks. I had forgotten that.
But it, and your various other workarounds, are not discoverable nor adequate for this situation IMO.
rusty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:53 am
2) Need for users to easily disable 'background' and/or "non-obvious" internet connections. This is an approach that I think most of you are promoting that I agree makes sense. I haven't tested this but based on Peke's feedback my understanding is that if Media Sharing, Tag Lookups, and Info Panels are all disabled, then there are no 'non-obvious' outbound network connections from MMW 2024 (with the possible exception that ripping triggers CD lookups/AccuRip lookups). Peke tested this using Wire Shark and WFC to report all outbound internet traffic from MM (excluding LAN/WLAN/mDNS/DLNA/Multicast which are all local).
If the above is accurate then the only improvements that might be needed would be:
a) For Audio CD metadata lookup, add an option for 'none'
b) Make it more obvious how to disable Views or View Elements (e.g. Info Panel, Related Artists) that access the internet
Is that correct or am I missing something?
Rob_S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:37 am
Also, it makes sense that if I turn on the info panel, it includes some info from online, requiring a lookup, but some of the information comes froms tags locally. Thus, I would still like to be able to have the info panel in my view, but disable the online lookup, if that were possible.
I agree with Rob_S, disabling the Info panel View is not a palatable option for someone who wants to lockdown Internet|Wikipedia access.
When the Info panel is disabled the Album and Artist Detail nodes are headerless and ugly; no nice title showing what you are looking at, and no album art image, no genre summary, no duration for the album.
And without the Info panel, a person is barred from making an Internet lookup on the occasions that they want to do so.
I don't really understand why people want to limit usage of the internet. They hate waste, or they are concerned about their privacy, or are concerned about their PC security, by opening their PC to viruses? ... Whatever the reason, there seem to be people who want to use MM without having this uncontrollable enforced activity and apparent (to them) opening up of their PC.
It is clear how to reduce most unwanted auto background MM Internet activity, not intentionally requested by the user. IE. Artist & Album art lookups, lyrics lookup, tag lookups, scrobbling to LFM. It seems clear that MM has provided choice and control here.
Why is the Wikipedia lookup different? It is like a red flag to these people.
It looks like a unfortunate design omission.
All the hacker techy workarounds proposed by Peke just does MM reputational damage IMO. ... Sorry Peke, but that's how I see it.
[quote=Peke post_id=518224 time=1711883607 user_id=213]
Hi,
[quote=Barry4679 post_id=518199 time=1711549389 user_id=28275]
It just seems illogical that I can turn off Internet access for tag, art & lyrics lookup, but I can't turn off the Wikipedia access.
Why? Just because Big Brother says so?
[/quote]Disable Info Panel and it will not be shown/accessed
[/quote]
Thanks. I had forgotten that.
But it, and your various other workarounds, are not discoverable nor adequate for this situation IMO.
[quote=rusty post_id=518237 time=1711986814 user_id=182]
2) Need for users to easily disable 'background' and/or "non-obvious" internet connections. This is an approach that I think most of you are promoting that I agree makes sense. I haven't tested this but based on Peke's feedback my understanding is that if Media Sharing, Tag Lookups, and Info Panels are all disabled, then there are no 'non-obvious' outbound network connections from MMW 2024 (with the possible exception that ripping triggers CD lookups/AccuRip lookups). Peke tested this using Wire Shark and WFC to report all outbound internet traffic from MM (excluding LAN/WLAN/mDNS/DLNA/Multicast which are all local).
If the above is accurate then the only improvements that might be needed would be:
a) For Audio CD metadata lookup, add an option for 'none'
b) Make it more obvious how to disable Views or View Elements (e.g. Info Panel, Related Artists) that access the internet
Is that correct or am I missing something?
[/quote]
[quote=Rob_S post_id=518240 time=1711989438 user_id=112670]
Also, it makes sense that if I turn on the info panel, it includes some info from online, requiring a lookup, but some of the information comes froms tags locally. Thus, I would still like to be able to have the info panel in my view, but disable the online lookup, if that were possible.
[/quote]
I agree with Rob_S, disabling the Info panel View is not a palatable option for someone who wants to lockdown Internet|Wikipedia access.
When the Info panel is disabled the Album and Artist Detail nodes are headerless and ugly; no nice title showing what you are looking at, and no album art image, no genre summary, no duration for the album.
And without the Info panel, a person is barred from making an Internet lookup on the occasions that they want to do so.
I don't really understand why people want to limit usage of the internet. They hate waste, or they are concerned about their privacy, or are concerned about their PC security, by opening their PC to viruses? ... Whatever the reason, there seem to be people who want to use MM without having this uncontrollable enforced activity and apparent (to them) opening up of their PC.
It is clear how to reduce most unwanted auto background MM Internet activity, not intentionally requested by the user. IE. Artist & Album art lookups, lyrics lookup, tag lookups, scrobbling to LFM. It seems clear that MM has provided choice and control here.
Why is the Wikipedia lookup different? It is like a red flag to these people.
It looks like a unfortunate design omission.
All the hacker techy workarounds proposed by Peke just does MM reputational damage IMO. ... Sorry Peke, but that's how I see it.
